Monday, November 22, 2010

Media Spin on Pope Benedict's Condom Comment is a Lie

So is the Holy Father saying it is morally good for male prostitutes to use condoms?

The Holy Father is not articulating a teaching of the Church about whether or not the use of a condom reduces the amount of evil in a homosexual sexual act that threatens to transmit HIV. The Church has no formal teaching about how to reduce the evil of intrinsically immoral action. We must note that what is intrinsically wrong in a homosexual sexual act in which a condom is used is not the moral wrong of contraception but the homosexual act itself. In the case of homosexual sexual activity, a condom does not act as a contraceptive; it is not possible for homosexuals to contracept since their sexual activity has no procreative power that can be thwarted. But the Holy Father is not making a point about whether the use of a condom is contraceptive or even whether it reduces the evil of a homosexual sexual act; again, he is speaking about the psychological state of some who might use condoms. The intention behind the use of the condom (the desire not to harm another) may indicate some growth in a sense of moral responsibility.

In Familiaris Consortio (On the Role of the Christian Family in the Modern World), John Paul II spoke of the need for conversion, which often proceeds by gradual steps:

To the injustice originating from sin … we must all set ourselves in opposition through a conversion of mind and heart, following Christ Crucified by denying our own selfishness: such a conversion cannot fail to have a beneficial and renewing influence even on the structures of society.

What is needed is a continuous, permanent conversion which, while requiring an interior detachment from every evil and an adherence to good in its fullness, is brought about concretely in steps which lead us ever forward. Thus a dynamic process develops, one which advances gradually with the progressive integration of the gifts of God and the demands of His definitive and absolute love in the entire personal and social life of man. (9)

Christ himself, of course, called for a turning away from sin. That is what the Holy Father is advocating here; not a turn towards condoms. Conversion, not condoms!


Would it be proper to conclude that the Holy Father would support the distribution of condoms to male prostitutes? Nothing he says here indicates that he would. Public programs of distribution of condoms run the risk of conveying approval for homosexual sexual acts. The task of the Church is to call individuals to conversion and to moral behavior; it is to help them understand the meaning and purpose of sexuality and to help them come to know Christ, who will provide the healing and graces that enable us to live in accord with the meaning and purpose of sexuality.

Is Pope Benedict indicating that heterosexuals who have HIV could reduce the wrongness of their acts by using condoms? No. In his second answer he says that the Church does not find condoms to be a “real or moral solution.” That means the Church does not find condoms either to be moral or an effective way of fighting the transmission of HIV. As the Holy Father indicates in his fuller answer, the most effective portion of programs designed to reduce the transmission of HIV are calls to abstinence and fidelity.

The Holy Father, again, is saying that the intention to reduce the transmission of any infection is a “first step” in a movement towards a more human way of living sexuality. That more human way would be to do nothing that threatens to harm one’s sexual partner, who should be one’s beloved spouse. For an individual with HIV to have sexual intercourse with or without a condom is to risk transmitting a lethal disease.

An analogy: If someone was going to rob a bank and was determined to use a gun, it would better for that person to use a gun that had no bullets in it. It would reduce the likelihood of fatal injuries. But it is not the task of the Church to instruct potential bank robbers how to rob banks more safely and certainly not the task of the Church to support programs of providing potential bank robbers with guns that could not use bullets. Nonetheless, the intent of a bank robber to rob a bank in a way that is safer for the employees and customers of the bank may indicate an element of moral responsibility that could be a step towards eventual understanding of the immorality of bank robbing.

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=220:pope-benedict-on-condoms-in-qlight-of-the-worldq&catid=53:cwr2010&Itemid=70

Pope Benedict on condoms in "Light of the World"

Web exclusive

What does the Holy Father really say about condoms in the new book?
By Dr. Janet E. Smith

This week, Light of the World, a book-length interview given by Pope Benedict XVI to journalist Peter Seewald, will be released worldwide. Several of the Holy Father's statements have already started making news, particularly his comments regarding condom usage in the prevention of the spread of HIV.


To the charge that “It is madness to forbid a high-risk population to use condoms,” in the context of an extended answer on the help the Church is giving AIDs victims and the need to fight the banalization of sexuality, Pope Benedict replied:

There may be a basis in the case of some individuals, as perhaps when a male prostitute uses a condom, where this can be a first step in the direction of a moralization, a first assumption of responsibility, on the way toward recovering an awareness that not everything is allowed and that one cannot do whatever one wants. But it is not really the way to deal with the evil of HIV infection. That can really lie only in a humanization of sexuality.

Are you saying, then, that the Catholic Church is actually not opposed in principle to the use of condoms?

She of course does not regard it as a real or moral solution, but, in this or that case, there can be nonetheless, in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality.

What is Pope Benedict saying?

We must note that the example that Pope Benedict gives for the use of a condom is a male prostitute; thus, it is reasonable to assume that he is referring to a male prostitute engaged in homosexual acts. The Holy Father is simply observing that for some homosexual prostitutes the use of a condom may indicate an awakening of a moral sense; an awakening that sexual pleasure is not the highest value, but that we must take care that we harm no one with our choices. He is not speaking to the morality of the use of a condom, but to something that may be true about the psychological state of those who use them. If such individuals are using condoms to avoid harming another, they may eventually realize that sexual acts between members of the same sex are inherently harmful since they are not in accord with human nature. The Holy Father does not in any way think the use of condoms is a part of the solution to reducing the risk of AIDs. As he explicitly states, the true solution involves “humanizing sexuality.”

Anyone having sex that threatens to transmit HIV needs to grow in moral discernment. This is why Benedict focused on a “first step” in moral growth. The Church is always going to be focused on moving people away from immoral acts towards love of Jesus, virtue, and holiness. We can say that the Holy Father clearly did not want to make a point about condoms, but wants to talk about growth in a moral sense, which should be a growth towards Jesus.

So is the Holy Father saying it is morally good for male prostitutes to use condoms? The Holy Father is not articulating a teaching of the Church about whether or not the use of a condom reduces the amount of evil in a homosexual sexual act that threatens to transmit HIV. The Church has no formal teaching about how to reduce the evil of intrinsically immoral action. We must note that what is intrinsically wrong in a homosexual sexual act in which a condom is used is not the moral wrong of contraception but the homosexual act itself. In the case of homosexual sexual activity, a condom does not act as a contraceptive; it is not possible for homosexuals to contracept since their sexual activity has no procreative power that can be thwarted. But the Holy Father is not making a point about whether the use of a condom is contraceptive or even whether it reduces the evil of a homosexual sexual act; again, he is speaking about the psychological state of some who might use condoms. The intention behind the use of the condom (the desire not to harm another) may indicate some growth in a sense of moral responsibility.

In Familiaris Consortio (On the Role of the Christian Family in the Modern World), John Paul II spoke of the need for conversion, which often proceeds by gradual steps:

To the injustice originating from sin … we must all set ourselves in opposition through a conversion of mind and heart, following Christ Crucified by denying our own selfishness: such a conversion cannot fail to have a beneficial and renewing influence even on the structures of society.

What is needed is a continuous, permanent conversion which, while requiring an interior detachment from every evil and an adherence to good in its fullness, is brought about concretely in steps which lead us ever forward. Thus a dynamic process develops, one which advances gradually with the progressive integration of the gifts of God and the demands of His definitive and absolute love in the entire personal and social life of man. (9)

Christ himself, of course, called for a turning away from sin. That is what the Holy Father is advocating here; not a turn towards condoms. Conversion, not condoms!


Would it be proper to conclude that the Holy Father would support the distribution of condoms to male prostitutes? Nothing he says here indicates that he would. Public programs of distribution of condoms run the risk of conveying approval for homosexual sexual acts. The task of the Church is to call individuals to conversion and to moral behavior; it is to help them understand the meaning and purpose of sexuality and to help them come to know Christ, who will provide the healing and graces that enable us to live in accord with the meaning and purpose of sexuality.

Is Pope Benedict indicating that heterosexuals who have HIV could reduce the wrongness of their acts by using condoms? No. In his second answer he says that the Church does not find condoms to be a “real or moral solution.” That means the Church does not find condoms either to be moral or an effective way of fighting the transmission of HIV. As the Holy Father indicates in his fuller answer, the most effective portion of programs designed to reduce the transmission of HIV are calls to abstinence and fidelity.

The Holy Father, again, is saying that the intention to reduce the transmission of any infection is a “first step” in a movement towards a more human way of living sexuality. That more human way would be to do nothing that threatens to harm one’s sexual partner, who should be one’s beloved spouse. For an individual with HIV to have sexual intercourse with or without a condom is to risk transmitting a lethal disease.

An analogy: If someone was going to rob a bank and was determined to use a gun, it would better for that person to use a gun that had no bullets in it. It would reduce the likelihood of fatal injuries. But it is not the task of the Church to instruct potential bank robbers how to rob banks more safely and certainly not the task of the Church to support programs of providing potential bank robbers with guns that could not use bullets. Nonetheless, the intent of a bank robber to rob a bank in a way that is safer for the employees and customers of the bank may indicate an element of moral responsibility that could be a step towards eventual understanding of the immorality of bank robbing.




Dr. Janet E. Smith holds the Father Michael J. McGivney Chair of Life Ethics at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit. She speaks nationally and internationally on Catholic teachings on sexuality and on bioethics, and has published numerous articles and several books on sexuality and bioethics. She is serving a third term as a consultor to the Pontifical Council on the Family. She is author of The Right to Privacy, a study of Roe v. Wade and related court cases.




Resources:

Edward C. Green, “The Pope May Be Right” Washington Post (Sunday, March 29, 2009);

Edward C. Green and Allison Herling Ruark, “AIDS and the Churches: Getting the Story Right” First Things (April, 2008);

Edward C. Green, Rethinking AIDS Prevention: Learning from Successes in Developing Countries (Praeger: 2003);

Matthew Hanley and Jokin de Irala, Affirming Love, Avoiding AIDS: What Africa Can Teach The West (National Catholic Bioethics Center, 2009);

Susan E. Wills, “Condoms and AIDS: Is the Pope Right or Just “Horrifically Ignorant?” The Linacre Quarterly, 77:10 (Feb 2010) 17-29;

Edward C. Green, AIDS, Behavior, and Culture: Understanding Evidence-Based Prevention (Left Coast Press: 2010) forthcoming

Sunday, November 07, 2010

Write to the Carmelites if you need Prayers for Yourself or your Family

Stop for a moment of silence, ask God what He want you to do next. Make this a practice. By doing this you are doing more good than reading anything here or anywhere else on the Internet.

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Addresses of the Discalced Carmelite Nuns in
UNITED STATES
Web Sites:

Association of Mary,Queen of Carmel: http://www.mary-queen-of-carmel-assoc.org/

http://www.littlerockcarmel.org/

Oklahoma - Piedmont www.okcarmel.org

Cleveland Heights, OHIO http://www.clevelandcarmel.org/

Texas - San Antonio http://www.carmelsanantonio.org/

http://www.carmelsanantonio.org/

http://www.ccacarmels.org/

http://www.ettinger.net/carmelcov/

Reno http://www.carmelofreno.com
US association of monasteries: http://www.ccacarmels.org/
Association of Mary,Queen of Carmel: http://www.mary-queen-of-carmel-assoc.org/
Beacon NY http://www.carmelitesbeacon.org
Carmel CA www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/homepage.htm
Covington www.ettinger.net/carmelcov
Sugarloaf PA www.byzantinediscalcedcarmelites.com
Carmel of Terre Haute, Indiana www.heartsawake.org or www.heartsawake.com
Savannah http://www.savannahcarmel.org
New Caney www.icansurf.com/ocdnewcaney
Carmel of Terre Haute, Indiana www.heartsawake.org or www.heartsawake.com
Philadelphia http://home.att.net/~chorus/
Arlington www.carmelnuns.com
CA Monastery of San Diego http://www.carmelsandiego.com/index.html
Boston (Roxbury) www.carmelitesofboston.org
Baltimore www.geocities.com/baltimorecarmel
Georgetown, California USA www.carmelitemonastery.com
Barrington www.barringtoncarmel.com
Eldridge http://showcase.netins.net/web/solitude
Port Tobacco www.erols.com/carmel-of-port-tobacco
Saint Louis www.stormpages.com/mtcarmel
U.S.A. St. Teresa Association
Sioux City http://www.siouxcitycarmel.com
Clinton Township, Michigan www.rc.net/detroit/carmelite
California ALHAMBRA www.carmelites.org/teresacarmel
Santa Clara www.geocities.com/santaclaracarmel@sbcglobal.net/
Flemington http://www.flemingtoncarmel.org/
Mobile, AL http://www.catholic-church.org/carmelitemonastery_mobile/
Salt Lake City http://www.carmelslc.org/


Discalced Carmelite Nuns
4300 Mount Carmel Drive N.E.
Ada Parnell MI 49301-9784
U.S.A.
(616) 6917625
Fax (616) 6918538 Carmelite Monastery /C
P. O. Box 67
Alexandria SD 57311-0067
U. S. A.

Discalced Carmelite Nuns
215 East Alhambra Road
Alhambra CA 91801-2599
U.S.A.
(626) 2822387
Fax (626) 2822053
teresacarm@aol.com
Momaria@aol.com
www.carmelites.org/teresacarmel Discalced Carmelite Nuns
5801 Mt. Carmel Drive
Arlington TX 76017
U.S.A.
(817) 4681781
Fax (817) 4681782
e-mail: arcarmel@ix.netcom.com
Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
75 Carmel Road
Buffalo - NY 14214-1098
U.S.A.
(716) 8376499 Discalced Carmelite Nuns
1318 Dulaney Valley Road
Baltimore MD 21286-1399
U.S.A.
Tel. (410) 8237415
Fax (410) 8237418
www.geocities.com/baltimorecarmel
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
25 Watson Avenue
Barrington RI 02806-4009
U.S.A.
(401) 2453421
Fax (401) 2456872
barringtoncarmel@worldnet.att.net
U.S.A. Barrington
www.barringtoncarmel.com
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
89, Hiddenbrooke Drive
Beacon NY 12508 -2230
U.S.A.
845-831-5572

Fax (845) 831-5579

http://www.carmelitesbeacon.org

beaconcarmel@optonline.net



Discalced Carmelite Nuns
361 Highland Boulevard
Brooklyn, NY 11207-1910
U.S.A.
(718) 235-0035


Discalced Carmelite Nuns
27601, Highway 1
Carmel CA 93923
U.S.A.
(831) 6243043
Fax (831) 6245495
www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net
olmediatrix-st@carmelite-nuns.org
www.carmelitesistersbythesea.net/homepage.htm
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
3176, Fairmount Blvd.
Cleveland Hts. OH 44118-4199
U.S.A.
(216) 3216568
Fax: 216-321-1904
sisters@clevelandcarmel.org
http://www.clevelandcarmel.org/ Discalced Carmelite Nuns
Monastery of St. Therese
35750 Moravian Drive
Clinton Township MI 48035-2138
U.S.A.
(586) 7907255
www.rc.net/detroit/carmelite
carmelctwp@sbcglobal.net
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
Monastery of St Joseph and St Teresa
73530 River Rd
Covington La. 70435-2206
U.S.A.
985-898-0923
Fax 985-871-9333
E-mail: covingtoncarmel@aol.com
Web: www.ettinger.net/carmelcov Discalced Carmelite Nuns
275 Pleasant Street
Concord NH 03301-2590
U.S.A.
(603) 2255791
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
15 Mount Carmel Road
Danvers MA 01923-3796
U.S.A.
(978) 7743008
Fax (978) 7747409 Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
600 South Flowers Avenue
Dallas - TX 752114413
U.S.A.

Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
1101 N. River Road
Des Plaines - ILLINOIS 60016
U.S.A.
(847) 2984241
Fax 847 - 2984242 Monastery of the
Holy Name of Jesus
6100 Pepper Road
Denmark, WI 54208
(già New Franken) U.S.A.
(920) 863-5055
Fax 920-863-3007
carmel@pngusa.net
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
17937 - 250th Street
Eldridge IOWA 52748-9425
U.S.A.
(563) 285 8387
Fax 563 - 285 7467
http://showcase.netins.net/web/solitude
solitude@netins.net Discalced Carmelite Nuns
70 Monastery Road
Elysburg PA 17824-9697
U.S.A.
(570) 6722935
fax (570) 6720278
elysburgcarmel@aol.com
Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
510 East Gore Road
Erie - PA 16509-3799
U.S.A.
(814) 8250846 Discalced Carmelite Nuns
87609 Green Hill Road
Eugene OR 97402
U.S.A.
(541) 3458649
http://members.home.com/
heartofmary1/home.htm
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
Harmony School Road
P.O. Box 785
Flemington NJ 08822
U.S.A.
(908) 7824802
www.carmelitehermitage.com/
flemingtoncarmel.htm Discalced Carmelite Nuns
6981 Teresian Way
P.O. Box 1720
Georgetown CA 95634
U.S.A.
(530) 3331617
www.carmelitemonastery.com
therese1@pacbell.net
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
4525 West 2nd Avenue
Hialeah FL 33012
U.S.A.
(305) 5587122 Discalced Carmelite Nuns
Highway U.S. 2 North
P.O. Box 397
Iron Mountain MI 49801
U.S.A.
(906) 7740561
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
2500 Cold Spring Road
Indianapolis IN 46222-2323
U.S.A.
(317) 9265654
Fax (317) 9261492
http://members.iquest.net/~indycarm
indyvocations@praythenews.com .
Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
Highway U.S. 2 North
P.O. Box 397
Iron Mountain - MI 49801
U.S.A.
(906) 7740561
dcarmelites@earthlink.net Discalced Carmelite Nuns
2155 Terry Road
Jackson MS 39204-5799
U.S.A.
(601) 3731460
e-mail: jm2155jt@aol.com
Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
2201 West Main Street
Jefferson City - MO 65101
U.S.A.
(314) 6363364 Discalced Carmelite Nuns
6301 Pali Highway
Kaneohe HI 96744
U.S.A.
(808) 2616542
Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
65 Rincon Road
Kensington - CA 94707
U.S.A.
(510) 5265050 Discalced Carmelite Nuns
5678 Mt. Carmel Road
La Plata MD 20646-3625
U.S.A.
(301) 934-1654
Fax (301) 934-0958
steresa@erols.com
http://www.erols.com/carmel-of-port-tobacco
Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
8251 De Montreville Trail North
Lake Elmo - MN 55042-9547
U.S.A.
(651) 7773882 Discalced Carmelite Nuns
1250 Carmel Avenue
Lafayette LA 70501-5299
U.S.A.
(337) 2324651
Fax 337 - 2323540
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
R.D. #6 Box 28
Latrobe PA 15650-9008
U.S.A.
(724) 5391056
Fax (724) 5390752 Discalced Carmelite Nuns
7201 West 32nd Street
Little Rock AR 72204-4716
U.S.A.
(501)565-5121
Fax (501)565-3877
http://www.littlerockcarmel.org/
e-mail: Lrcarmel@comcast.net
Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
6138 South Gallup Street
Littleton - CO 80120
U.S.A.
(303) 7984176 Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
1740 Newburg Road
Louisville - KY 40205
U.S.A.
(502) 4516796
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
P.O. Box 57
Loretto PA 15940
U.S.A.
(814) 4728620 Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
189 Madison Avenue
Morristown NJ 07960
U.S.A.
(973) 5390773
Fax (973) 9840509
Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
716 Dauphin Island Parkway
Mobile - AL 36606
U.S.A.
(205) 4713991
www.catholic-church.org/carmelitemonastery_mobile/ .
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
1100 Parthenon Place
New Caney TX 77357-3039
U.S.A.
(281) 3990270
Fax (281) 6893615
ocdnewcaney@icansurf.net
newcaneyocd@bulkdist.com
www.icansurf.com/ocdnewcaney Monastery of the
Holy Name of Jesus
6100 Pepper Road
Denmark, WI 54208
(già New Franken)
U.S.A.
(920) 863-5055
Fax 920-863-3007
carmel@pngusa.net
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
W267 N2517 Meadowbrook Road
Pewaukee WI 53072-4599
U.S.A.
(414) 6910336 .
Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
1931 Jefferson Road
Pittsford - NY 14534
U.S.A.
(585) 4277094
Fax 585 427 8141 Discalced Carmelite Nuns
1400 W 66 Avnu
Philadelphia PA 19126-2795
U.S.A.
(215) 4246143
Fax (215) 4246143
http://home.att.net/~chorus/
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
20.000 N. County Line Rd
Piedmont OK 73078-9123
U.S.A.
(405) 3483947
Fax (405) 3484916
www.okcarmel.org
dcn@okcarmel.org Discalced Carmelite Nuns
1950 La Fond Drive
Reno NV 89509-3099
U.S.A.
(775) 3233236
http://www.carmelofreno.com
renocarmel@carmelofreno.com
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
61, Mt. Pleasant Ave.
Roxbury MA 02119-3399
U.S.A.
(617) 4421411
Fax (617) 4420203
www.carmelitesofboston.org
carmelitesofboston@earthlink.net Carmelite Monastery
9150 Clayton Road
Saint Louis MO 63124
U.S.A.
(314) 9936899
peace@carmelofstlouis.org
carmelofguam@netpci.com
www.stormpages.com/mtcarmel
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
5714 Holladay Blvd.
Salt Lake City UT 84121-1599
U.S.A.
(801) 2776075
Fax (801) 2774263
http://www.carmelslc.org/ Discalced Carmelite Nuns
6301 Culebra and St.Joseph Way
San Antonio TX 78238-4909
U.S.A.
(210) 6801834
Fax (210) 6803106
e-mail: saocdnun@dcci.com
http://www.carmelsanantonio.org/
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
5158 Hawley Blvd.
San Diego CA 92116-1934
U.S.A.
(619) 2805425
Fax (619) 2832121
www.carmelsandiego.com/index.html
carmelsd@sbcglobal.net Discalced Carmelite Nuns
721 Parker Avenue
San Francisco CA 94118-4297
U.S.A.
(415) 3872640
cristoreysf@agapemail.com
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
530 Blackstone Drive
San Rafael CA 94903
U.S.A.
(415) 4796872
Fax (415) 4914964
sram@motherofgodcarmel.org Discalced Carmelite Nuns
1000 Lincoln Street
Santa Clara CA 95050-5285
U.S.A.
(408) 2968412
Fax (408) 2484846
santaclaracarmel@sbcglobal.net
www.geocities.com/santaclaracarmel@sbcglobal.net/

Discalced Carmelite Nuns
Mount Carmel Road
Santa Fe NM 87501-4597
U.S.A.
(505) 9837232 Discalced Carmelite Nuns
11 West Back Street
Savannah GA 31419-3219
U.S.A.
(912) 9258505
Fax: 912-925-0797
carmelite@csam.net
http://www.savannahcarmel.org
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
2215 N.E. 147th Avenue
Seattle WA 98155
U.S.A.
(206) 3637150
Fax (206) 3657335
seattlecarmel@att.net Discalced Carmelite Nuns
2901 South Cecilia St.
Sioux City IA 51106-3299
U.S.A.
+1 (712) 2761680 - 2762427
Fax 712 - 2765966
Carmelitesiouxc@msn.com
Carmelsc@msn.com
http://www.siouxcitycarmel.com
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
424 East Monastery St.
Springfield MO 65807-6099
U.S.A.
(417) 8812115 Discalced Carmelite Nuns
Holy Annunciation Monastery
403 West County Road
Sugarloaf PA 18249-9998
U.S.A.
(570) 7881205
Fax (570) 7883329
carmel@epix.net
www.byzantinediscalcedcarmelites.com
Discalced Carmelite Nuns
59 Allendale Place
Terre Haute IN 47802-4751
U.S.A.
(812) 2991410
Fax (812) 2995820
carmelth@heartsawake.org Carmel of the Immaculate Conception

P.O. Box 315225

Tamuning, Guam 96931

U.S.A.

671-646-8972
guam@carmelite-nuns.org

Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
3501 Silver Lake Road
Traverse City - MI 49684
U.S.A.
(616) 9464960 Discalced Carmelite Nuns /C
Carmel of Jesus, Mary and Joseph
23403 NW 70th Street
Valparaiso - NE 68065
U.S.A.





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